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Trained dogs eliminate crippling losses. On
average, 1 of 7 turkeys are wounded every year and not
recovered. That's 160,000 turkeys nationwide (mostly
gobblers), that'd be recovered, if the hunter had the
aid of a trained dog. Of all the states, Montana, Nebraska,
Utah,
Tennessee
set a good example and allow turkey hunters the use of
their dog in the spring. In those States, dogs prevent
lost cripples in both the fall AND in the spring -
that's the way it should be everywhere!
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"9% of the hunters responding to the survey (WI-DNR
p.10) believed they hit a bird they were unable to
retrieve in spring. By comparison, 16% of the hunters
reported they hit a bird they were unable to retrieve
in fall." This means on average, 1 out of 8
turkeys are wounded and not recovered! In just
Wisconsin, for example, this amounts to approximately
6100 turkeys shot and not recovered in (2006 Spring
harvest 46,662. Fall harvest 11,926 math). Virtually all of
these would have been recovered, if the hunter had the
assistance of a dog. Do we need any more reason to
hunt turkey with a dog?! "We did a study on turkey hunting in Florida in the 1970's (Studies of the Wild Turkey in Florida - 1988 technical bulletin). In one part of the study, we radio-tagged 35 gobblers to measure hunter success and crippling losses on a public hunting area. 12 were shot and retrieved, 3 were shot and killed but not retrieved (found by radio signal), that equals 15 total killed. Therefore, 3 out of 15 equals 20% of the total kill was lost unretrieved. Or to put it another way, the unretrieved gobblers equalled 25% of the killed and retrieved total (3/12). Incidentally, 3 of the 35 turkeys disappeared during the open season. By "disappeared" I mean that we never heard from them again. Either the radio transmitters failed or hunters killed them. If the radios failed, some or all could have been shot and lost. To have 3 of 35 radios fail during a 5-week-long period would be a little higher than expected, and I suspect that one or more may have had the radio knocked out by being shot. It is confusing, but the one thing that can be said with certainty is that 20% of the total kill was lost unretrieved. I am sure that turkey dogs would have reduced or possibly even eliminated the crippling losses." Lovett Williams *
So in the Florida study, 35 turkeys were tagged, 18
were shot, 15 were killed, 12 were shot and retrieved,
3 were crippled/lost, and 3 'disappeared' (not
counted). Whether it's 12.5% in one study (1 out of 8
in WI) or 20% in another (1 out of 5 in FL), that's a
lot of birds. For estimating purposes, let's average
it at 16%.
Take any States known harvest and multiply it times
.16 to estimate the number of birds killed, but not
recovered, because the hunters lacked the aid of a
dog. With an annual nationwide harvest of about 1
million birds in 2006 X .16 that equals roughly 160,000 birds, and the
majority of them were gobblers. The time to
change the rules is past due, dogs should be able to
accompany hunters. Even untrained dogs kept on a leash
until needed to retrieve a wounded bird would save
thousands of birds a year from being lost. Undoubtedly, the best
companion a turkey hunter can have is a well-trained
dog. In most cases, an untrained dog
would be more of a hindrance than a help. You wouldn't
want a dog with you when you're calling the bird in,
unless it is trained to know its part. But a dog trained to lie
still while the bird is called in would be invaluable,
and save one out of every 6 or 7 birds.*
Excerpted from The Wild Turkey and Its Hunting by Edward A. McIlhenny. Available from Real Turkeys. |
| Q1: "It's not yet allowed in my State (AL, AR, AZ, CT, FL, IL, IN,
MA, MN, MO,
NM,
OK, RI,
SD, WA) to hunt turkeys with
dogs in the fall season. But often when my dog and I are
small game hunting for rabbit, squirrel, grouse, pheasant,
or woodcock, she flushes turkeys in the classic way that
you describe. Even though I have the turkey license, stamp
and permit, and the right choke and load for my shotgun,
it's not allowed, so what should I do?" A1: It sounds like you have the makings of the perfect turkey dog. But since it's not yet allowed in your State, we recommend you do two things: #1, contact your local sportsman clubs and those who administer the hunting rules and regulations, and ask them how you can work to get it changed. And #2, teach your dog that it's not allowed using the following training method: If you got a good scatter, build a blind from native materials. Make the dog sit in the blind with your friend so they can watch for squirrels while they wait at least 50 yards behind you. If the turkeys return, shoot one, and now you can show the dog what she should never do. Tell her, "bad dog, now look what you've done, you went and got that turkey killed." That one time should teach her, but if it doesn't, go out with your friend who has their turkey permit, and if your dog scatters more turkeys, you'll have the perfect opportunity for more training, but this time you hold the dog and he does the shooting. Repeat as necessary until eventually either your dog understands, or they correct the rules, and you'll be able to hunt without a problem. ...............................
Every DNR wildlife
biologist we talk to has no problem with fall turkey
hunters using dogs.
Hunters with valid turkey permits that enjoy hunting with their dog are most welcome to do so, it's fine with them. The illogical technicality is unenforced. So, until the rule gets changed in your state, enjoy squirrel hunting with your turkey dog. ...............................
As wildlife biologist Jim
Evrard wrote in the Wisconsin
Outdoor
News print edition March 10, 2006: "In my opinion, there are
people who simply oppose the use of turkey hunting
dogs because it represents change. I heard
the same opposition against extending turkey hunting
to the afternoon and to most changes in turkey hunting
regulations. Like the crow and dove season, I believe
fall turkey hunting with dogs will be a non-issue,
since few hunters will participate and no damage will
be done to the wildlife resource."
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| Q2: "I heard that
turkey hunters using dogs shoot at flushing turkeys in the
fall and wound them. I don't know about shooting at flying
turkeys, what do you think?" A2: It's no different than shooting flying geese or ducks, or woodcock taking off through the alders. You don't need a dog to shoot a flying turkey, anyone can shoot flushing turkeys now. It's an individual decision, and your training will tell you whether to shoot or not. Flushing turkeys are most vunerable when their wings are open, but you don't want a breast full of shot. How hard they are to kill depends on several factors. Turkeys will sometimes hold tight, and you can kill them when they flush with a headshot at close range with #6's and a modified choke. If they flush upwind their escape is slow, and offer a |
| Q3: "I want to
train my dog for turkey, but some people say using dogs to
hunt turkeys is an unfair advantage. Is that true?" A3: While we might actually consider them a handicap until properly trained, using dogs to hunt turkey is no different than hunting quail, duck, goose, partridge, dove, pheasant, grouse, or woodcock. Training your bird-dog guarantees to improve every day afield. And eventually a good bird dog will train you how to hunt turkey. In Missouri hunters train their mule to hunt turkey with. If they can run a mule through the woods chasing turkeys without getting themselves killed, good for them. The same goes for dogs. If you can train your dog to hunt turkey (and not deer, squirrel, or any of the other distractions) you've done good! Read the Llewellins for a better explanation. |
| Q4: "Some archer
friends say turkey dogs will ruin their deer hunting. Is
that true?" A4: Turkey dogs don't chase deer. And hunters with a permit to bag one turkey with their dog isn't a concern for bowhunters. Right now hunters with dogs can harvest many grouse, pheasant or woodcock, but a turkey hunter can usually only harvest one bird. We want it as quiet in the woods as everyone else. Honest sportsman don't deny others the enjoyment of their sport. We're taught from young on, if someone else is hunting there, don't go near and ruin it for them. We've all been taught to respect and support other hunters, don’t interfere with other hunters experiences, and support everyone’s right to hunt. **************************
"There are already folks who have reason to be in the
woods with dogs at that time of year. Archers have several
weeks of hunting opportunity and the chances of an
individual archer being disturbed by this are minimal.
Archers hunting public land have the greatest chance for
disturbance; but allowing turkey dogs would not
significantly affect their already greater chances of hunt
disturbance. Besides, activity in the woods may keep deer
moving. All of us would like to have the woods to
ourselves, but that does not give any group the right or
reason to exclude another. I think any issue raised by
archers will be perceived as an eliteist viewpoint. I like
to bowhunt, though I would not classify myself as a rabid
archer. As a moderate archer, I cannot justify excluding
turkey hunters with dogs.I cannot tell you how many times I have eased up on rutting deer close enough to kill with an arrow while fall turkey hunting. Those animals were undisturbed by my presence as were any nearby archers. Sure, dogs cover alot more ground, but turkey dog trainers are going to be careful to discourage deer scenting and chasing, believe me." Bob Eriksen, NWTF Regional Biologist
2/10/2006
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Deadeye
says: "A turkey dog is going to hunt with his master, just
like a bird, grouse, or squirrel dog does. There is no
more or less disturbance to a bow hunter if any of these
hunters walked through the same woods they were bow
hunting in, with or without the dog." |
| Q5: "The turkeys
around here used to be real vocal, but since I heard dogs
running in the woods, it seems the turkeys are silent." A5: Turkey dogs hunt silently until they break the flock. Those stories originate from the South, where deer hunting with dogs is allowed. Deadeye: "I just remembered from a turkey workshop I attended a few years back (in VA) that the number one complaint from spring turkey hunters was running dogs. They could be deer hounds or wild dogs. Evidently people take for granted that a turkey dog is a running dog instead of a flushing dog. Thus all the misconceptions." |
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There's a few other misconceptions about turkey hunting
with dogs. Some people even picture dogs baying at lions
or bears. They have the game surrounded, until the dogs
move in for the kill. That's a ridiculous thought. A
fairer comparison would be the upland bird dog that dearly
loves the birds they pursue. Deadeye Barham
explains it very well on Magnum's
page, and also on Zeke's
page. |
| Q6: I've had bird
dogs all my life and every fall travelled to South Dakota.
Recently I read where there are only 3.5
pheasants
per square
mile in SD.
Where I live in Wisconsin's Zone 3, with ~2
pheasants/sq. mile (pdf), there must be 20 to 100
turkeys per square mile or more plus a few ruffed grouse.
I understand it might take a fall turkey hunter with a dog
several days of hunting to scatter and call back a turkey,
versus my dog having more opportunity on planted pheasants
at the local game farm (since there's so few 'native'
birds left). I did some ciphering: while a pheasant weighs
2 or 3 pounds, one fall turkey weighs 10 to 25 pounds. As
far as being economical with only taking one shot for a
native organic bird, I'm considering training my dog for
turkey. But will my bird dog still hunt the little birds?
I figure I'd save $500 to $1000 in gas, motel rooms and
shotshells too. Is there something I'm missing? A6: You're on the right track. While it can take longer to kill a turkey than a pheasant, the main point is you're out in the field with your dog. Your dog just wants to spend time with you. A bird dog is happy hunting squirrels, if that's what you show you're interested in. Your figuring is correct, while your expenses will be much less, you'll be spending more time afield. Your dog will surprise you with their understanding of what techique to use on which bird, once you show them how it works. The only reason they don't, is an owner telling the dog to not bark, or to not flush those big birds. Once they realize it's okay to scatter the turkeys and you're able to call one in and shoot it, your dog will 'get it' and the learning curve goes up in direct proportion to the number of times you get out. While turkey hunting with a dog is a little different than pheasant or grouse hunting with a dog, it's all enjoyable and rewarding for you and your dog. You'll hunt more, with less expense. And don't worry about ruining the dog for other upland birds, that is so innate in their genetics, the next time they encounter a pheasant or grouse, be ready. Walk with #6 - modified choke in your gun. When you sit down to call turkeys in, switch the choke to full or extra-full. Join the club - the book has many other tips on how to train your bird dog for hunting fall turkey. |
| Up until the late 1980's, we
thought dogs could only see in black and white. Then
studies revealed that dogs do see in color, just a little
less of the spectrum than humans do. Green, yellow, and
orange all look alike to dogs. Blue-green looks white.
"Dogs see black, white, gray, yellow, and blue. So it's
not as colorful a world for them, but it is not
color-less, either. The word 'colorblind' is bad, it
really should be 'color limited'." Dana
K. Vaughan, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Biology,
U-W Oshkosh |
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