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Fall
Turkey Hunting with a Labrador by Tom McMurray
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to show Maggie is just a regular family dog. Click
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"I have been hunting Fall
wild turkey in the mountains of Virginia since 1985. I
learned the most effective way to be successful was the
art of the bust and call back. In 1992 my whole style of
hunting the Fall wild turkey changed when I got my first
ever Labrador retriever and took the time to train him
to hunt with me (or maybe he trained me). He became my
hunting partner and dedicated companion.
In
February of 2016 I was fortunate enough to be able to
attend the NWTF Convention in Nashville TN. One of the
main reasons I wanted to go was because there was a
seminar scheduled specifically to discuss Turkey Doggin.
This is not a subject that many know about or have been
willing to share in the past. The presenters, Steve
Hickoff, Marlin Watkins, Scott Basehore and JT Byrne
were all names I had either read about or actually read
something they had written regarding the sport of Fall
turkey hunting (with or without a dog). They are the
experts when it comes to this great sport and I was
anxious to hear their insight on the subject. They did
not disappoint as I learned more than I can share in
this short article.If I was to share one thing from this seminar with both veteran and rookie Turkey Doggin hunters, it would be that there is no one way or one type of dog that is the best for Fall Turkey hunting. There might be a way or dog that you prefer but many breeds and mixed breeds will work. This of course is my humble opinion again based on hunting for turkey with Labrador Retrievers since 1992 and listening to the stories the experts told at the seminar. The classic Turkey Dog is the far ranging setter type dog that barks like crazy when they reach a flock to alert the hunter of a
bust. The hunter then gathers the dog/dogs back and
builds a blind where the hunter and dog can
wait/sleep/rest until the action begins. The action
might take 15 minutes or it could be 6 hours later or
longer. Remember we are talking turkey here and they
have their own agenda. The bottom line is eventually
they will want to get back together and if you are there
when the time is right, you will experience turkey
hunting like no other. J.T. Byrne has perfected this
type of dog and has developed a specific breed for just
this type of hunting. His line of dogs are a proven
turkey hunting breed and are in demand by the most
serious of Fall turkey hunters.When I started hunting turkey with a dog back in 1992, to say I was on a budget would be an understatement. There was no way I would have been able to convince my bride to pay for a dog specifically so I could spend more time in the woods without her! Now a cute cuddly Lab puppy was a different story. Once I put that puppy in her arms the deal was sealed. Now I just needed to get the dog to hunt turkey. How hard could that be. To be honest I would not describe it as hard at all, more fun than anything. Of course I love dogs so that helps. I can say the dog probably taught me as much as how to hunt the Fall turkey as I taught the dog. The key was patience and flexibility. I will not go into the training techniques I came up with, modified from what I learned from dogs I had grown up with, or straight up got out of a dog training book. I will save that for another article. What I will tell you about training is that I believe any dog with hunting instinct can probably be trained to hunt the Fall turkey. Maybe not in the classic style like a J.T Byrne dog but in a way that fits the dog you own. One key would be to start when they are a puppy. For this article, I will describe how any Lab I have trained hunts and differs from the classic turkey dog. The dog and I wil l
go for a hike basically. I will follow a straight line
while the dog will make circles out from my position
maybe out to 150 yards, and in every direction (front,
left, right and in back of me). I will not travel too
fast, so the dog can work. I will watch the dog and
watch for turkey sign. If there is turkey sign, I will
slow down to give the dog more time to work the area in
case the sign is fresh. The dog will tell you if the
sign is fresh. Just watch their tail wag, their
demeanor, their excitement it will be evident. Once the dog hits a hot
trail the dog will take off in a straight line
and then I watch and listen for the tell-tale sign of
the birds breaking up wing beats, putts, cackles, birds
flying Now it would be ideal if the dog barked to let me
know, but I have never been able to get my Labs to bark
at the bust. I am sure a better trainer could do it but
instead I adapted my hunting style to that trait, or
non-trait in the case of a classic Fall turkey dog. Now
my Lab would still keep coming back to the bust site,
get on the scent of any turkey that ran off and then
seek out those birds that have not taken to flight and
going at them until they fly. Thus getting a great
scatter the same as any classic Fall turkey dog is
trained to do. I will admit that there
have been times when the dog obviously had busted a
flock of turkey (based on how he/she reacted and how low
to the ground their tongue hung out of their mouth!) and
I did not hear or see anything. This does not happen
often as my dogs have never ranged big, but if I am on
one side of a ridge and the dog and turkey are on the
other, they easily could scatter to where I would not
hear or see anything. This is seldom from what I can
tell, and even if it does happen, once you know how to
read your dog, you still may be in business. Yes, there are advantages
to a dog that ranges big and barks at the break, but
there are also pluses to dogs that do not.
There have been many occasions when my Lab has been off
in one direction and I have had turkey either answer me
as I blind call while I hike or just happen to be headed
to me by chance. I train my dogs with hand signals, in addition to voice/sound commands, something that became even more important when I was graced with a Special Needs child. In the woods I can give my dog a signal to stay and hide from any distance as long as they can see me remember my dogs do not range big so I am in voice range or visual contact at all times. This has paid off many times. I can remember times when I had the dog away from me 20 yards hiding in plain view of the turkey but stayed motionless and was able to call a bird in for the harvest. I have had the dogs hide out in front of me a ways (again due to the circumstance we found ourselves in) and let the turkey get close before I give the bust command and get tremendous scatters. I have had the dog hide at a distance with a hand signal and wait until the birds were in a position so that when I released the dog (again with a hand signal) that the dog pushed the birds to the gun. I have even had the dog in view (fairly close to me), made a call, received an answer not too far off, and watched the dog look at me and go into the hide without the command. The
dog had learned what to do in certain situations just
from experience, a true hunting companion. No different
when hunting with a human partner when you both know
each other s tendencies and you tag team on a bird in
the Spring without saying a thing to each other you just
know! The way that I hunt with the dog varies with the
circumstance and anyone who has hunted Fall turkey for
any length of time knows every hunt can present a new
circumstance that has the potential to be an opportunity
for a harvest, or just a hike in the woods. By the way, there is
nothing wrong with just a hike in the woods with your
dog it is a win win! I will also note that the
majority of the time the dog makes the bust and then she
lays in my lap under a camo burlap or in a make shift
blind I construct after the bust. Just like one would do
with a classic turkey hunting dog. Flexibility is the key.
Hunt to how your dog hunts. Help teach your dog
how you want he/she to hunt and then fine tune and adapt
so you become true hunting partners. Now I will be the first one to tell you that I am a turkey hunter and not a turkey caller. Yes, I can call turkey with many different types of calls. There is no way though that I would win any calling contests. I admit that I have and will continue to take turkey if the opportunity presents itself, however it presents itself, as long as it is legal. There have been birds that I never called to or never called to me. There are birds that I would have never taken without the dog and birds that have spooked because of the dog. I have missed turkey inexplicably and gotten a look from my dog that I could almost hear the words you have got to be kidding me! I will also tell you that there is not a greater day in the woods, than with your four legged companion, no matter how they hunt. Take your dog hunting and adapt to their style. You will become a better hunter and have the best of companions." Tom McMurray and Maggie - just a regular guy with a regular dog that love to hunt turkey together. 2/25/16 McMurrayBuilders.com |
To all my fellow turkey doggin and hunting enthusiasts, please, please, hunt with your kids and not for them! I'm not sure who it benefits most (you or your children) but the world will be a better place!" Tom 10/22/16 |
"Another
great
fall for Maggie and I. My biggest Fall bird to date - a
big ole Virginia mountain bird with no sponge fat to speak
of, but weighing 22+ lbs with 11 3/8" beard and 1-5/16"
hooks. Maggie was a terror this Fall on the birds. Late
season is now open and I took some guests out Sunday. She
busted a flock, but my hunting party missed two! The cold
weather made it miserable in such difficult conditions.
The flock regrouped and Maggie busted them again, but no
one wanted to stay and wait it out in the cold - except
Maggie of course - she was none too happy after her hard
work - next time!" Tom
McMurray 1/16/18 |
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As far as the SKYREST goes, it has been a long road and
so much to tell! I will start with a disclaimer... I am
one of the inventors. I have been using one for 18 plus
years. Actually the same one. Great product that has stood
up to 18 years and a lot of hunting! The best gun rest out there
for hunting from a treestand hands down in my opinion.
Yes I know, I am one of the inventors, so what else would
I say but let me explain. The gun rest was
invented out of necessity because I was a terrible shot. I
have excuses but either way I was missing deer. I hunted
in the mountains near Blacksburg VA with a great friend of
mine Marc Eppard (the other inventor). We would wake up
when most were going to bed, ride a four wheeler as far as
allowed and then hike into the mountains of the National Forest stripped
down to our long johns so we did not sweat. We carried in
a treestand and any other equipment, clothes, food... we
needed for the day. It was basically a 2 hour trek every
morning to get to our spot and then we had to put up the
treestand (permanent treestands are not allowed in the
National Forest). Well... after that ordeal I was pretty tired and basically shakey as far as holding a gun steady. At least that was my excuse for missing. I don't know how many deer. My buddy got tired of hearing me whine is what it really comes down to! One day he called me and said he had a solution to my missing problem. I was intrigued of course. I met him at a property where we had permission to hunt and there was a field where we could take long shots. He showed up with a block of wood with a hole in it and a wooden Y arm that had a string attached basically. I think I may have laughed, but either way had my doubts this could solve anyone's yips until I tried it! I was amazed at how steady it held the crosshairs on a target and how accurate I was shooting. Well after that he and I went back and forth with ideas to refine the design. At first it was just something for us to use. Once we got the basic design done (there have been modifications since then and many discussed that I will not go into here) and we were using it on all our hunts, people started to ask us where we got it and if they could get one. We took it to the next level thinking maybe we have something here. We started building them in his dad's barn in Elkton VA and selling them online. Well, we took it as far as having it produced in China, but family, work and life got in the way and we just couldn't spend the time it needed to make it work on a mass basis. It was just too much for us at the time. Both of us starting families and it was a full time job to get this off the ground, which both Marc and I already had. Marc and I and of course the hundreds we actually sold were out there being used, but there were none in production for a while. Then one Spring, when
on a turkey hunt in Iowa with my cousin and his buddies,
we all took an afternoon to do some skeet and target
shooting. I had given one to my cousin a few years back
and he pulled it out. All were amazed at how well it
worked. One of the guys there (Todd Buelow from MN) asked
what we were doing with the product and I explained what I
stated above in this email. He asked if he could run with
it, as he had some manufacturing connections. We told him
to go for it and so he did. That was a couple years ago
and it is just now starting to take hold. I understand
that Amazon is sold out of them for the year: SkyRest
Tree
Stand Shooting RestThere's a lot more to it than that, as you can imagine, but that is the basic gist. I use it mainly when rifle hunting, but have used it with a shotgun, pistol and crossbow. If you go to the website Todd set up, you will see me in a lot of the pics. He uses a young lady on the website which I feel might deter a lot of serious hunters from thinking it is for anyone, from the most experienced to the beginner, but it truly is. My son grew up shooting off of it. Everyone I have let shoot off of mine wants to buy one... at least that is what they tell me. I can confidently say this. If you are a beginner or have a hard time holding up a heavy gun for whatever reason it is for you. If you are the most experienced hunter and pride yourself on your accuracy and ethical kill shots it is for you. It is for everyone in between those two as well! I will close with this, to give an idea of how it can help anyone be a better shot. I am right handed. I am in a ladder stand with a rail. A deer shows up quickly on my right hand side, following a hot doe and both are moving in a direction that will take them behind me. There is a small window of opportunity. Even the best shooter out there would have trouble being confident they could get on that deer and make an ethical shot. The rail is not going to help, so it is a free hand shot on your off side. With the SKYREST, not only does the shot become possible for an experienced hunter, but even for a beginner. I have proof as both my son and daughter had that experience and both dropped their deer. I could tell you so many stories as I am a meat hunter (allergic to beef!) and Fall is when I do my grocery shopping. Between my son and I we shoot between 12 and 15 deer a year on average, to load up the freezer for the year. I have shot quote a few with a muzzleloader as well, using the SkyRest. My buddy Marc Eppard actually started filming to try and promote the product, to help Todd get it out there. He has YouTube Product Review pages now: Setup and overview. The first film is of me demonstrating how to use it. This was taken one day we were hunting and it was just dead out - no deer movement. I told him let's film a demo. No script, no plan, just got up and talked about it and demoed it. That is how easy it is to use and how comfortable I am with it. Thanks for reading, send me an email if you want to talk more about it. I love it! Tom McMurray, Lorton, VA 12/11/20 |
| Macey is now 1.5 years
old. The third lab I have trained to turkey hunt. This
past Fall was her first season hunting and she did not
disappoint. I do not get to hunt very often as I still
work but Macey hunted hard when we got to go. The
properties we hunt did not have many birds this year at
least when we hunted. She busted several singles and we
are still working on staying off of deer. She did busy a
small flock of adult hens on a mountain hunt that ended up
with her first turkey, a bearded hen! Looks like I have my
next turkey dog for life! Tom 2/8/23 |
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